mashed in maryland
6:48 Wed Jan 11
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Those DOUBLE FRIED CHIPS really helped Belgium shine in 1914 eh?
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Westside
6:43 Wed Jan 11
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We started a war against them without proper cause.
So Germany invading a neutral country, wasn't proper cause?
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Infidel
6:19 Wed Jan 11
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Surface have you ever considered how Germans must have thought of us and France in 1914?
We started a war against them without proper cause, pilloried their monarch and accused them of expansionism despite having vast empires that dwarfed theirs.
One would understand completely if they saw us as warmongering hypocrites.
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Eggbert Nobacon
1:09 Wed Jan 11
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there you go again
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:59 Wed Jan 11
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I haven't made anything up at all. You're one of the most prolific, left-wing, self-haters on the site.
And you don't know what white guilt or genocide is. And you deliberately conflate 'concentration camps' with 'extermination camps'.
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:46 Wed Jan 11
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what about Irish shipbuilders?
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Gavros
12:45 Wed Jan 11
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how many millions dead in Ireland, India, China etc etc?
Whatever it was it wasnt enough.
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mashed in maryland
12:43 Wed Jan 11
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"We rounded up the Boer women and children and imprisoned them in crude camps where they died in large numbers as an act of war to persuade the Boer fighters to come out of the bush and surrender."
Worked though didn't it.
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:35 Wed Jan 11
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we've already established you're making things up, lets not dig that hole any deeper
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:35 Wed Jan 11
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You don't know what white guilt is as well as not knowing what genocide is.
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:29 Wed Jan 11
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote...
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I know you love the opportunity for a bit of white guilt and Britain bashing,
Stop making things up I've never spoken on the subject before on here and am white
but carry on
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Infidel
12:20 Wed Jan 11
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Eggbert is absolutely correct.
The purpose of the concentration camps in the Boer War was shameful. We rounded up the Boer women and children and imprisoned them in crude camps where they died in large numbers as an act of war to persuade the Boer fighters to come out of the bush and surrender.
There was an outcry back home when the public was made aware of what our soldiers were doing.
We also committed numerous atrocities against indigenous peoples all over the Empire for the best part of 200 years.
To single out Germany for its atrocities in Namibia is laughable.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:19 Wed Jan 11
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I know you love the opportunity for a bit of white guilt and Britain bashing, but who has been defending Britain's imperial past? I think I described the conditions in the Boer War concentration camps as 'shameful'. But, however much you might want them to be, a combination of stupidity and callousness is not the same as a deliberate policy of racial extermination. Nor is accidentally introducing diseases.
Keep right on with the virtue signalling, though.
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:58 Wed Jan 11
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I know the difference between the two sortsof amps cheers, the fact someone did something worse later does not excuse what we did which awas as bad as anything anyone else was doing
going back a little -
75% of indigenous Canadians
87% of aboriginies
50% plus of Marois
we do not exactly have a good record if anyone brings up genocide
how many millions dead in Ireland, India, China etc etc?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:43 Wed Jan 11
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Eggbert Nobacon 11:31 Wed Jan 11
No mate. I'm guessing you both don't know the meaning of genocide and are deliberately conflating Boer War 'concentration camps' (camps intended to temporarily confine large numbers of people in which, shamefully for Britain, large numbers contracted disease and died) and Nazi extermination camps.
Nice try, though.
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stoneman
11:35 Wed Jan 11
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If we hadn't of entered WW1 then we wouldn't have had automatic entry into WW2.
This would have meant having to qualify which would have meant trips to Luxembourg and Switzerland to earn our place.
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:31 Wed Jan 11
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Here's me quoting from Wiki again, although you will note the article has proper academic referencing. It's a about the Germans' decent, civilised extermination of two races between 1904 and 1907. Funnily enough, for a country with absolutely not an expansionist bone in its body, the genocides took place in its African empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
Does it mention us inventing concentration camps and treatment of the Boers and so many others in the same period?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:28 Wed Jan 11
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Infidel 10:51 Wed Jan 11
'In fact Bismarck's restraint in 1871 is powerful evidence that Germany was a great deal less expansionist and aggressive than the popular mythology suggests.'
It's no such thing. The new Germany had no more chance of permanently occupying and subduing all of France than it did in 1940. The only difference is that Bismarck recognised that and was able to hold sway over Wilhelm I. You are also ignoring the fact that Bismarck's Iron Chancellorship ended in 1890 and his successors from 1900 on, von Bulow and Bethmann Hollweg were weak characters utterly unable to restrain the megalomania of the new Kaiser, Wilhelm II.
It is also important to recognise that democracy and the position of the monarchy in Germany at the beginning of the 20th century was unrecognisable from that in Britain and, perhaps especially, France. Obviously you will now come up with some old bollocks about how Wilhelm II's role was essentially the same as our own dear Queen's.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:10 Wed Jan 11
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Infidel 10:51 Wed Jan 11
'France was not remotely humiliated by that - they just ignored it. In fact they don't have a plaque anywhere in the Hall of Mirrors today to commemorate the event'
You're fucking mental! If Adolf Hitler had temporarily become Fuhrer of Britain, do you think there would now be a statue outside Parliament commemorating it?
'Germany was a decent, civilised country in 1914'
Here's me quoting from Wiki again, although you will note the article has proper academic referencing. It's a about the Germans' decent, civilised extermination of two races between 1904 and 1907. Funnily enough, for a country with absolutely not an expansionist bone in its body, the genocides took place in its African empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
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Gavros
10:55 Wed Jan 11
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You're right weird, Infidel son.
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Infidel
10:51 Wed Jan 11
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Stomper
You have undermined your own argument.
Your argument was that Germany is inherently expansionist, and that therefore it is a fact that if they had won in 1914 they would have occupied most of Europe and established a German European Empire.
Yet the most you can say about their victory in 1871 is that they 'humiliated' France by crowning their Kaiser in Versailles.
France was not remotely humiliated by that - they just ignored it. In fact they don't have a plaque anywhere in the Hall of Mirrors today to commemorate the event (I once spent a good half hour there looking for one).
And even if they had humiliated France, that is a world away from seeking world domination. In fact Bismarck's restraint in 1871 is powerful evidence that Germany was a great deal less expansionist and aggressive than the popular mythology suggests.
As I said before, the narrative of the 'filthy Hun' trying to take over Europe was invented by the Entente powers to justify a slaughter they started and are uniquely responsible for. Germany was a decent, civilised country in 1914 and Bethmann-Hollweg was most certainly not a sort of Teutonic Napoleon.
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